Mondial Inferno: New Comer

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MilitaryDuckJock Neu 16.08.2004 Montag, 16. August 2004 14:06 0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Iain Hendry Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario Kanada	Hey all, I know Mondial only ever built 3 Infernos... Airwolf, Nightfly, and New Comer. I keep seeing photos of Airwolf and Nightfly, on the different fairs traveling around Germany... but whatever became of New Comer? Does it still travel? Has it been sold to a park somewhere? I think, of the 3 Infernos, I liked the looks of it the best. -Iain PS - which was the original one with electric drives? The 2 newer ones are hydraulic, right?	0 gefällt das
Tejay Neu 16.08.2004 Montag, 16. August 2004 14:15 0 gefällt das
Tejay Thorsten Janke Bochum Deutschland . NW	MilitaryDuckJockHey all, I know Mondial only ever built 3 Infernos... Airwolf, Nightfly, and New Comer. I keep seeing photos of Airwolf and Nightfly, on the different fairs traveling around Germany... but whatever became of New Comer? Does it still travel? Has it been sold to a park somewhere? It is still travelling - the owner is showman Welte. MilitaryDuckJockI think, of the 3 Infernos, I liked the looks of it the best. Yes it looks great. But all three are really looking great. MilitaryDuckJockPS - which was the original one with electric drives? The 2 newer ones are hydraulic, right? The last one was Airwolf in 1996. This is the one version that differs from the two older ones.	0 gefällt das
Corny Neu 16.08.2004 Montag, 16. August 2004 15:30 0 gefällt das
Corny a Afghanistan	corny stands up, turns around, walks to his CD rack, pulls out two CDs, returns to the computer and starts copying files from both CDs to his webspace Here we go: Pictures of the transports and the ride being set up at the Herbstmess (Autumn fair) in Mannheim: The gondola, still on its trailer The backdrop has already been set up, and the central trailer is in its place The main part of the ride, seen from the other side Another trailer, with a part of the arm and other parts of the ride About two weeks later, at the same location: The "New Comer" in action A detail shot The small ticket booth One of the smaller "New Comer" signs The "New Comer" in action, once again The roof decoration of the operator's booth Interesting perspecive... The "New Comer" at night The bog "New Comer" sign and the backdrop I hope you enjoy the pictures.	0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Neu 16.08.2004 Montag, 16. August 2004 17:26 0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Iain Hendry Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario Kanada	Wow... thanks so much for the awesome photos, and so fast, too! I have a few questions for you: Zitat So is New Comer the first Inferno built, and it has electric drives? How many trailers does the Inferno require to move? When a ride requires multiple trailers, does that also mean the showman has to have the same number of trucks? (I guess I mean, if a ride takes 3 trailers to hold all the parts, does the showman have to own 3 trucks, to move it around? I ask because, if Olympia Looping takes, like, 40 loads or whatever... that's a heck of a lot of trucks!) I'm still trying to get a grasp on what the common practices are for moving big rides around in Europe, and since I don't read German or Dutch it makes it a little harder to sort out exactly how it all works. -Iain	0 gefällt das
Corny Neu 16.08.2004 Montag, 16. August 2004 18:11 0 gefällt das
Corny a Afghanistan	MilitaryDuckJockWow... thanks so much for the awesome photos, and so fast, too! That's just a question of knowing what you put where. ZitatSo is New Comer the first Inferno built, and it has electric drives? I don't know if the New Comer or the Nightfly was buit first. But both of them have electric drives, while the "youngest" one, the Airwolf has hydraulic drives. (The only one I've ridden yet, by the way). ZitatHow many trailers does the Inferno require to move? According to manufacturer's data, it needs 5 trailers for transporting this ride. ZitatWhen a ride requires multiple trailers, does that also mean the showman has to have the same number of trucks? (I guess I mean, if a ride takes 3 trailers to hold all the parts, does the showman have to own 3 trucks, to move it around? I ask because, if Olympia Looping takes, like, 40 loads or whatever... that's a heck of a lot of trucks!) Rides, that require a large number of trailers , like large roller coasters or log flumes, are often transported by sepcial railway trains. So the showmen only need a few trucks to transport one trailer after the other from one fairground to the loading platform, and after the train has moved all the trailers from one city to the other, from the loading platform to the next fairground again. For smaller rides, sometimes showmen have as many trucks as they have trailers, but that's expensive. Often they have less trucks, and transport the trailers one after the other. Remember - in addition to the ride's trailers, there usually is at least one mobile home for the showman and his family, and another one for the employees, that also need to be transported. For example: I know a showman, whose ride requires 3 trailers, and he also uses 3 trucks to transport them, and I know another showman, whose ride needs 2 trailers, and he has got only one truck. So you can not answer this question in general... ZitatI'm still trying to get a grasp on what the common practices are for moving big rides around in Europe, and since I don't read German or Dutch it makes it a little harder to sort out exactly how it all works. If you have any questions about this, just ask, I'm sure there are many people here that will answer your questions. Edit: Fixed wrong quoting	0 gefällt das
mpegster Neu 16.08.2004 Montag, 16. August 2004 20:18 0 gefällt das
mpegster Deutschland . NW	The first inferno was the "Nightfly" build for the Showman "Kaiser"... In 1995 the "Nightfly" started in Paderborn... Some month later the "Newcomer" started in "Oldenburg". It was operated by Willi Kipp... Greetz Mpegster *sorry for my bad english	0 gefällt das
marcussheen Neu 16.08.2004 Montag, 16. August 2004 21:25 0 gefällt das
marcussheen Marcus Sheen GB	Other than the Fair Guild in the UK (that seems to stifle fair growth IMHO), I wonder if transport is something else that puts showmen off investing in larger rides and coasters? Here, the railways are poorly situated and notoriously unreliable (us Brits always make fun of the state of our railways), and I wonder if things like that (and high petrol costs) put showmen off larger rides that need more transport. I seriously wonder if our rides will ever get any bigger than the Pinfari inverter.	0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Neu 16.08.2004 Montag, 16. August 2004 21:48 0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Iain Hendry Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario Kanada	I think the problem is much worse in North America, where unfortunatley our reliance on rail travel is virtually non-existant, and railways aren't well developed. Fairs over here are dismal, compared to what you guys enjoy in Europe. So lucky! I just found out Doppel Looping isn't coming to Canada's biggest fair, the Canadian National Exhibition. That's like, 3 years in a row it hasn't been there. I can't imagine why. -Iain	0 gefällt das
marcussheen Neu 17.08.2004 Dienstag, 17. August 2004 00:14 0 gefällt das
marcussheen Marcus Sheen GB	Do you not also have very strict weight limits on your roads, too, or is that just the USA? I know that very few large Huss rides and Mondial rides travel, hence Mondial are developing lightweight versions of their rides. That can't help.	0 gefällt das
Yeah 7 Neu 17.08.2004 Dienstag, 17. August 2004 22:11 0 gefällt das
Yeah 7 Phil Ariss Leicestershire GB	Why havn't Mondial sold an Inferno since Airfwolf. Not having ridden one, they look extremely impressive, but I'm amazed that there are no park installations. Any ideas?	0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Neu 17.08.2004 Dienstag, 17. August 2004 23:53 0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Iain Hendry Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario Kanada	My first guess would be difficulty in transport. It's my understanding that the Topscan was directly developed because of this reason... (I'm very curious about the "Diabolo" the new without-floor, easier-to-transport Inferno, which is suposedly in development!) Just another question - what does the word "Fahrgeshafte" and "Hofaghershafte" mean? I keep seeing them, but I'm curious what the meaning is. -Iain	0 gefällt das
Corny Neu 18.08.2004 Mittwoch, 18. August 2004 00:26 0 gefällt das
Corny a Afghanistan	MilitaryDuckJockMy first guess would be difficulty in transport. It's my understanding that the Topscan was directly developed because of this reason... I think it's also some mechanical problem. The abrumot movements of the heavy gondola cause a high wear on the gears. Zitat(I'm very curious about the "Diabolo" the new without-floor, easier-to-transport Inferno, which is suposedly in development!) Sounds VERY interesting. ZitatJust another question - what does the word "Fahrgeshafte" and "Hofaghershafte" mean? I keep seeing them, but I'm curious what the meaning is. "Fahrgeschäfte" can be translated with "rides" (An attraction you can ride - I know "ride" has more meanings in English and can be noun or verb - so I hope you understand what I'm talking about). The singular form wuld be "Fahrgeschäft". "Hochfahrgeschäfte" are rides that don't just move in a flat way like a Break Dance for example, but also lift the riders up into the air, like (now we are back to topic ) the Mondial Inferno. Hope that helps... Coming soon: Special German vocabulary for fairgrounds and parks...	0 gefällt das
tricktrack Neu 18.08.2004 Mittwoch, 18. August 2004 00:30 0 gefällt das
tricktrack Deutschland	MilitaryDuckJockJust another question - what does the word "Fahrgeshafte" and "Hofaghershafte" mean? I keep seeing them, but I'm curious what the meaning is. "Fahrgeschäft" means "Ride" To be more precise it stands for "business to ride" "Hochfahrgeschäft" is a ride that that is lifted into the air. The term "flatride" is used in english for a Scrambler as well as for an Enterprise. German terminology is making a distinction between flatrides and rides which are elevated to another level.	0 gefällt das
tricktrack Neu 18.08.2004 Mittwoch, 18. August 2004 00:56 0 gefällt das
tricktrack Deutschland	The Inferno is my all-time favourite ride (next to the Huss Booster). I always had the best rides on Airwolf. I donŽt think that it has something to do with the hydraulics, but the ride is operated far better than the Newcomer. Airwolf has some manouvers up its sleeve which are more thrilling than any rollercoaster. The "head-on-over-the-top" combined with the "outside snap-roll", while the aluminium-floor whizzes by just a few cm OVER your head is simply breathtaking. The ride has so many variations and possibilites that it never gets boring. Its also never repetitive, so you wont suffer from motion sickness. Usually I donŽt like rides with much hangtime, but Airwolf is the only ride where I donŽt mind hanging in the restraints. Thats one reason why I am absolutely not interested in the S&S Sky Swatter. It just does one thing over and over again. Airwolf is capable of so much more. Its more or less the first "4-d ride" I think one reason why they TopScan has sold much better and is overall more popular is because it looks much more spectacular. The only thing I donŽt like about both rides is the 100% priority to get an outside seat. The closer you sit to the centre of rotation the tamer the ride. I am still dreaming to enclose an Inferno and combine it with TombRaider:TR effects. Just Imagine what you could do with it!	0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Neu 18.08.2004 Mittwoch, 18. August 2004 03:51 0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Iain Hendry Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario Kanada	There were rumours initially that when Kings Island was building Tomb Raider, the ridesystem would have been a Mondial Inferno instead of what they got - the first (and still only) Giant Topspin by HUSS. Thank you guys for the clarification of terminology! -Iain	0 gefällt das
tricktrack Neu 18.08.2004 Mittwoch, 18. August 2004 12:31 0 gefällt das
tricktrack Deutschland	^Well, its easy to see why they decided to get the TopSpin. More than double capacity and everybody has an unobstructed view. I think its also easier to theme too. I wonder when mondial will unveil their new rides! WasnŽt it supposed to happen at last years IAAPA? The next one is close around the corner.	0 gefällt das
onride international Mondial Inferno: New Comer
Corny Neu 19.08.2004 Donnerstag, 19. August 2004 22:12 0 gefällt das
Corny a Afghanistan	As I promised, here is the English translation of mpegster's text from onride.de viewtopic.php I must admit, that it's a rather free translation, I didn't stick too close to the original words, but all the information is contained in the translation, and I think that's what is most important. (And I know, the text is far from perfect....) Zitat Inferno The first Inferno made by Mondial was first presented by showman Kaiser from Munich on the fair in Paderborn in July 1995. In fact, the debut should have beed at the "Heinerfest" in Darmstadt earlier that year, which was not possible due to minor faults in the computer system of the prototype. Thus, the visitors in Paderborn could gaze at a ride featuring lots of different movements. The rides consits of the main tower, which is inclined by 45 degrees, carrying a 22m high arm. The two-part gondola is mounted to one end of this arm. Both halves of the fondola can rotate independently, either in a free movement or driven by a motor. Three different kindes of movement can be combined: The rotation of the main arm, toe rotation of the arm-gondola connection, and the rotation of the halves of the gondola itself, giving a specatular look for the watching crowds.However, this rde gives a stomach-friendly and soft ride, without torturing riders with high forces. First conclusions in the media after the successful debut were like: "Very attractive in the composition of movements, exceptional in design, gibing an exhilarating ride: A new Number one ride!" Already in march 1995, readers of magazines about fairs and rides could have a first look at technical drawings and explanations about this novelty made by Mondial. The name of the new attraction was known to be "Inferno" very early. The company FAB, that does the worldwide sales for Mondial rides registered the name "Unlimited" for this ride. Today we know, none of this names really became common. Neyt to Alfons Kaiser, who bought the first "Inferno", also Willi Kipp was there, to buy the second one. He chose the name "New Comer" for his ride. During the same time, experts were speculating about the plans of Nauta Bussink, another netherlands-based company building rides. Both of the planned rides were quite similar to the Mondial "Inferno". Especially the drawings of a ride called "Airwolf" were, besides of differently placed seats, identical in construction and movement with the "Infrno". But at first, it was time for delivery and debut of the "New Comer". This was planned to be at the "Sommerbend" in Aachen in 1995, but due to some delays, the ride debuted at the "Kramermarkt" in Oldenburg. The "New Comer" was painted in a great "industrial look" made by afaw. Taking a closer look, you could find painted details like rusty rivets. The ride was a great success in Oldenburg. After that, the ride was moved to the "Freimarkt" in Bremen, while the "Night Fly" was running in Straubing, Regensburg and at the famous "Oktoberfest" in Munich. There the ride was placed near the roller coaster "Euro Star", which was also a novelty for 1995, but still the ride was very popular. But what became of the "Airwolf" drawing with the name Eberhard (another German showman) and the Nauta-Bussink sign on it? The was presented at the Interschau exhibition in 1996 by "Art Studios Stritzel". Max Eberhard decided against the Nauta-Bussink model, and ordered another "Inferno" from Mondial. Stritzel was contracted to do the decoration and design according to the first drawings presented by Nauta Bussink. The "Airwolf" debuted at the "Schützenfest" in Hannover in 1996. The unusual color scheme and the backdrop with scenes from the TV series "Airwolf" gave this ride a very dynamic and powerful look. After Hannover, the ride was brought to Düsseldorf, where the big "Airwolf" sign in the middle was added. this sign features neon strobes and many light effects. As a special feature, this sign is mounted in a way that it doesn't turn while the ride is moving, it always stays horizontal. Also, the counterweight at the other and of the main arm was shaped like star. In addition to the different look, the "Airwolf" is also technically different from its older "brothers". It's the only "Inferno" with a hydraulic drive, while "Nightfly" and "New Comer" are driven by three-phase AC motors. In 1999, Kaiser sold the "Nightfly" to showman Rosai, and in the following year, the "New Comer" was sold to showman Welte. So today the "Airwolf" is the only Inferno, that is still owned by its first owner. Technical data: Manufacturer: Mondial Width: 20,50m Depth: 23m (with directly mounted backdrop) / 25,7m(with separate trailer-mounted backdrop) Height: 22m Capacity: 38 riders (2 gondola segments with 19 seats each) Electrical power: about 200kW drive, avout 100 kW lights 4 Trailers max. acceleration: 3,6g Text by mpegster, translation by me Edit: Minor correction: Showman's name is Eberhard, not Eberhardt.	0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Neu 21.08.2004 Samstag, 21. August 2004 12:50 0 gefällt das
MilitaryDuckJock Iain Hendry Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario Kanada	Hey, thanks so much for the translation! Now I've got a few more questions, though... About the gondola - the writeup mentions that the gondolas themselves have motor-assisted rotation... I was always under the impression (just from video) that the gondola rotation was entirely gravity based (the large mass of the gondola and its huge size making it look so "slow" while doing loops). Can you elaborate on that a bit more? Also are there any details on this other Nauta-Bussink machine that was to come about the same time? I can see the point with the electric vs. hydraulic drives (I work in automation and robotics). In that case though I would have expected them to use hydraulic drives on the Splashover, which, I'd have to probably send you a video clip... but it has some issues in operation related to the exact phenominon you mention about the Inferno. Again thanks guys for writing and translating that! -Iain	0 gefällt das
tricktrack Neu 22.08.2004 Sonntag, 22. August 2004 16:24 0 gefällt das
tricktrack Deutschland	^The gondola rotation is indeed supported by motors. But its not always easy to say which motions are natural and which are machine induced. On Airwolf the rotation is very organic and maybe the motors are only slightly helping to control the movement. Sometimes you just wish that the operator would give you just a little more spin to flip the car all the way round. On some rides I had the impression that the "other half" had much more spin and inversions while "our side" was just swinging sideways without getting the full blast. But then you might have rides where you get yanked over the highest point at breakneck speed while diving head-on towards the ground. I think the operation takes lots of experience and the right mixture of letting gravity take its toll and manipulating at the right moment is tzhe secret of a good Inferno ride. I have seen pictures of the operator booth, where you see that, among many buttons, there are at least two joysticks which are used to control the gondolas.	0 gefällt das
Dancer Neu 22.08.2004 Sonntag, 22. August 2004 17:10 0 gefällt das
Dancer Michael Hemmerli... Deutschland . RP	tricktrack...there are at least two joysticks which are used to control the gondolas. As far as I know, the two joysticks are used for the rotation of the main arm and the whole gondola section, not for the support of the "over-head" rotation of the two gondolas. At the "Bad Dürkheimer Wurstmarkt" in 2002, me and and a friend stood a very long time next to the operator booth an watched how the operator controled the ride. Greetings Dancer PS: Sorry, my english isn't very good.	0 gefällt das
marcussheen Neu 22.08.2004 Sonntag, 22. August 2004 19:55 0 gefällt das
marcussheen Marcus Sheen GB	Maybe instead of the motors being able to be controlled, they just give the gondola a helping hand to flip over when it is nearly on the verge of flipping. I agree with you about them being very organic. I spent a lot of time in Germany watching Airwolf, and had no idea that there were motors in the arms. BTW Dancer, your English is superb.	0 gefällt das
Dancer Neu 22.08.2004 Sonntag, 22. August 2004 20:50 0 gefällt das
Dancer Michael Hemmerli... Deutschland . RP	marcussheen...and had no idea that there were motors in the arms. I agree. I also had no idea that the motion of the two half-gondolas was controlled or supported by additional motors. BTW: Airwolf is my favourite (over-head ride) at fairgrounds. I love this ride very much. marcussheen BTW Dancer, your English is superb. Thanks a lot. I always think my english is horrible. g	0 gefällt das
Corny Neu 22.08.2004 Sonntag, 22. August 2004 23:37 0 gefällt das
Corny a Afghanistan	As I understood the original text, there is the possibility to have a motor doing the flipping of the gondola. But this option has never been used. But on the other hand, tricktrack always wrote correct information...	0 gefällt das
mpegster Neu 24.08.2004 Dienstag, 24. August 2004 23:53 0 gefällt das
mpegster Deutschland . NW	So i must tell you that there is a little mistake in my report. The Gondola is not Controlable by the Operator. Only in "Landing"-Position the Ride-Op can use the Gondola Brake. So i can tell you that there is no Motor to control the Gondolas. It is like "Dancer" wrote. The Inferno is controlled by two Joysticks, one for the Main Arm and one for the "center" of the Gondola, which is connected to the Main Arm. I Hope you understand what i mean Greetz Mpegster	0 gefällt das
Dancer Neu 27.08.2004 Freitag, 27. August 2004 00:14 0 gefällt das
Dancer Michael Hemmerli... Deutschland . RP	Thanks for correcting this mistake.	0 gefällt das
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